One Song – Two Quadras: I’m Gonna Live Till I Die (Frank Sinatra vs Frankie Laine)

Gamma (Frank Sinatra – LIE)

Beta (Frankie Laine – IEI)

Frank Sinatra sings it in a cool, sophisticated manner (Te + Se + Fi + Ni), as if he is sipping champagne while casually leaning on the bar counter of a private members club.

Frankie Laine replaces the sophistication with directness and emotional engagement (Se + Fe + Ti) – he sounds like a man who’s got the urge to shout from a rooftop (Fe + Ni). He sings meaning every word in the most literal sense, living through every statement and infecting the listeners with the vigour (Fe + Se).

Sinatra’s sleek even vocals make the main statement of the song – that of “living the life to the fullest” – to mean “I am going to be extraordinary successful” (Te + Se), while Laine’s version is literal and screams “I am going to have the greatest time!!”

 

 

 

 

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Why the founder of socionics Aushra Augustinaviciute is mistyped

Recently, in my bid to find the roots of the contradictions and disagreements that plague Socionics, I reverted to Aushra’s original work.

Previously I thought that the source of total lack of consensus must have been the result of myriads of Socionics schools (as they often chose to call themselves) that sprung up in the Russian-speaking countries, each trying to find their own unique approach. I remember me and my friend entertaining ourselves by doing “tours” to different schools to see what they are going to type us – and they rarely disappointed – our supposed types were scattered all over the Socion.

The desire of those schools to be different, I thought, must have been the reason for the variety of opinions on Socionics.

I was wrong, at least to the extend that it was not a sole reason. Aushra’s own work and public speeches are filled with contradictions and inconsistencies, which really deserve an article of it’s own.

But what I would like to state now is that I find it impossible to believe after reading her work that it is written by a Ticreative type as she considered herself to be an ILE.

In support of the reasons for my astonishment, please see these quotes from a book by Aushra Augustinavicute “Socionics. An introduction” (1998, pp52-54) where she provides the description for Ti:

RU: Белая логика. К логическим относим чувства, которые возникают при сравнении одного объекта с другим на основе какого-либо объективного параметра.

EN: White Logic. We consider sensations [ feelings – is the other meaning of these word (translator)] logical if they arise when we compare one object to another by an objective parameter.

I doubt a Ti-creative type would describe introverted logic as sensations or feelings, especially since these terms are core to the language of the Socionics theory. Just to confirm it’s not some sort of framework she is using – she doesn’t call Te a feeling – same book, pp 49-50:

RU: Черная логика. Воспринимается информация о физической активности, поступках; о деятельности одушевленных и неодушевленных объектов. Это восприятие дает способность разбираться в происходящей.

EN: Black logic. Perceives information about physical actions, activity; about actions performed by animate and inanimate objects. This perception allows to understand that what is happening.

This and the rest of her description of Te even though relatively short compared to some other aspects, is solid.

Let’s carry on with her views on Ti (same book, pp52-54), the very next phrase:

RU: Например, чувство расстояния, веса, объема, ценности, силы, качественности.

EN: For example, a sense of distance, weight, dimensions, value, force and quality.

Here we have 4 sensory categories (distance, weight, dimensions, force) and 2 classically Te ( value and quality ).

A bit more from her description of Ti (same book, pp52-54):

RU: Непосредственную информацию, получаемую посредством первой сигнальной системы, индивид осознает как чувство соразмерности и несоразмерности объектов, чувство равновесия или неравновесия между ними, как чувство понимания или непонимания преимуществ одного объекта перед другим. Сюда относятся все чувства, которые вытекают из познанности или непознанности объектов и явлений: любознательность, уважение, страх, чувство логичности-алогичности. И в том числе — чувство собственной силы или бессилия перед тем или другим объектом. Всю группу этих чувств назовем логическими. Их сумма — чувство логики человека. Есть люди с более или менее развитым чувством логики. Можно сказать, что логические чувства несут информацию о познанности или непознанности, сравнимости или несравнимости объектов, о наличии или отсутствии равновесия между ними. Как и о пространстве и месте объекта в нем.

EN: The information from the first signal system is interpreted by an individual as a sense of commensuration or non-commensuration of objects, a sense of balance or lack of balance between the objects. As a sense of understanding or lack of understanding of advantages of one object over another. All senses that come from something being known or unknown: curiosity, respect, fear, a sense of something being logical or illogical. Including the sense of one’s strength or weakness before an object. This group of senses [ the word she uses is really sensations or feelings (translator)] we will call logical. And their sum is the sense of logic of a person. There are people with more or less developed sense of logic. One can say that all logical senses carry the information about something being known or unknown, comparability or lack of comparability, balance or lack of balance. As well as space and the place of the object in it.

Additionally to the fact that this description is very repetitive ( as in lacking a clear structure, which seems strange for a Ti-creative ), it actually describes pretty much everything but Ti. At least I can spot Ne, Te and Fi /Fe in it.

This looks suspiciously close to a vulnerable Ti – a blind spot that comes out so glaringly when she describes the aspect. In fact, no other aspect description she provides is that far off.

In the same book she also gives a lengthy description of an ILE, which she believed to be her type, and this provides more insight.

Here she seems to also have a difficulty describing Ti (same book, p 331):

RU: Структурное мышление. ИНТУИТИВНО-ЛОГИЧЕСКИЙ ЭКСТРАТИМ отличается способностью видеть потенциальные возможности любых явлений и предметов. Его мышление структурное, то есть, когда он мыслит об объектах, то мыслит структурами. Поэтому отсутствует образное мышление. Допустим, сказав себе «я вижу голубое небо», он этого неба без специальных долгих терпеливых тренировок не увидит, как это обычно легко происходит у сенсориков.

EN: Structured thinking. ILE is distinguished by his ability to see the potential of any occurrence or subject. His thinking is structured which means when he thinks he thinks in structures. Let’s say, he tells himself – “I see the blue sky”, he won’t be able to see the blue sky without long period of patient trainings as a sensory type would.

So in the first sentence of the paragraph dedicated to structured thinking of ILE she talks about Ne. In the second sentence she states that when someone’s “thinking is structured” it means that someone “thinks in structures”. And in the third sentence she contrasts what supposedly should be Ti with sensorics. I’d say it’s utterly unbelievable this could be written by a Ticreative type.

Another chapter in the ILE description (same book, p 329):

RU: «Открывание» людей. Дон Кихот избегает поверхностных людей. Его тянет к людям с большими нереализованными возможностями, к личностям, которые ждут своих открывателей, которым можно открывать их самих, направить на путь, где они смогли бы наиболее полно реализовать свои способности.

EN: Discovering people. ILE avoids shallow people. He is attracted to people with a lot of unrealised potential, people who are waiting for their explorers to come; those that can be discovered, help them to find their path and realize their potential.

This is Ne + Fi not Ne + Ti – the classic Delta trait of growth and development.

More Delta values on the same page:

RU: Дон Кихот привязывается лишь к тем, с кем у него есть общее дело. Если ничего больше — хоть раскрытие способностей данного индивида.

EN: ILE gets attached to people with whom he shares a productive endeavour. If nothing else – it’s opening up the talents of this individual.

That’s Te and Ne + Fi.

More on the same topic (p. 330):

RU: А при том нужно учитывать, что Дон Кихот исключительно чуток к неуважению достоинства людей, а тем более по своей сути духовно сильных; людей, могущих благодаря своим исключительным способностям войти даже в историю науки или искусства.

EN: Keep in mind that ILEs are extremely sensitive to any disrespect towards people, and even more so in case of spiritually strong people, people, who could make the history of science or art because of their exclusive talents.

My best bet would be that she was a Delta ethical type. Judging by her complete lack of understanding of TiIEE.

*all translations into English are done by the author of this article

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